Comments on: Radiation http://mke3.net/weblog/radiation/ Wed, 20 Aug 2008 23:01:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2 By: Matt http://mke3.net/weblog/radiation/#comment-91102 Matt Fri, 16 May 2008 23:42:27 +0000 http://mke3.net/weblog/radiation/#comment-91102 Hi guys, sorry for the late reply. Hopefully you and I might be able to see something like this in Blender 2.5. Hi guys, sorry for the late reply. Hopefully you and I might be able to see something like this in Blender 2.5.

]]> By: krblla http://mke3.net/weblog/radiation/#comment-88173 krblla Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:26:42 +0000 http://mke3.net/weblog/radiation/#comment-88173 ow!.. nice work. like Maya or Modo, that's fantastic! where I could found the link to download, or isn't possible yet? I could not wait to see it in blender soon ow!.. nice work.
like Maya or Modo, that’s fantastic!

where I could found the link to download, or isn’t possible yet?

I could not wait to see it in blender soon

]]> By: lluc http://mke3.net/weblog/radiation/#comment-82509 lluc Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:04:40 +0000 http://mke3.net/weblog/radiation/#comment-82509 what about the patches??? It is possible to try it? Nice work! (Sorry for my English) what about the patches??? It is possible to try it?

Nice work! (Sorry for my English)

]]> By: Matt http://mke3.net/weblog/radiation/#comment-5802 Matt Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:01:10 +0000 http://mke3.net/weblog/radiation/#comment-5802 Hi Kostas, the end of this post may give you some background on it: http://mke3.net/weblog/blender-243/ Hi Kostas, the end of this post may give you some background on it: http://mke3.net/weblog/blender-243/

]]> By: Kostas http://mke3.net/weblog/radiation/#comment-5715 Kostas Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:16:45 +0000 http://mke3.net/weblog/radiation/#comment-5715 Hi! Well, what happened to this idea? I hoped we would see it implemented in v2.43. It really seems to speed things up. So, what went wrong? Hi!
Well, what happened to this idea? I hoped we would see it implemented in v2.43. It really seems to speed things up. So, what went wrong?

]]> By: Hoehrer http://mke3.net/weblog/radiation/#comment-942 Hoehrer Thu, 17 Aug 2006 07:53:50 +0000 http://mke3.net/weblog/radiation/#comment-942 Quick mockup with a header/title, a second ring, 16 entries total and still direction-consistent: <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/63231715@N00/216845295/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/63231715@N00/216845295/</a> The numbers are not inserted in the outer ring, but you get the idea. Werner Quick mockup with a header/title, a second ring, 16 entries total and still direction-consistent:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/63231715@N00/216845295/

The numbers are not inserted in the outer ring, but you get the idea.

Werner

]]> By: Craig Jones http://mke3.net/weblog/radiation/#comment-941 Craig Jones Thu, 17 Aug 2006 06:36:17 +0000 http://mke3.net/weblog/radiation/#comment-941 Wow, I really think that would make an imediate workflow improvement! I'm not sure I understand about the alternate ring method, but I am eager to see this implemented in a later build. Good job!! Wow, I really think that would make an imediate workflow improvement! I’m not sure I understand about the alternate ring method, but I am eager to see this implemented in a later build.
Good job!!

]]> By: Peter http://mke3.net/weblog/radiation/#comment-940 Peter Thu, 17 Aug 2006 06:11:16 +0000 http://mke3.net/weblog/radiation/#comment-940 Cool idea. Blender's UI could always use improvements. I think if you had to have more than eight items, Joerg Luedtke's idea is the best - it's actually pretty brilliant. You don't want an outer ring because that would obstruct workflow. It would mean you couldn't just fling your mouse in the right direction anymore, and that's what so many people love about radial menus. Great job! ~Peter Also, I don't mean to pick or anything, but it seems that the intermediate buttons on the full eight-item menu aren't properly posititioned? They're closer to the 1 and 2 than they are to the 3 and 4. Cool idea. Blender’s UI could always use improvements.

I think if you had to have more than eight items, Joerg Luedtke’s idea is the best - it’s actually pretty brilliant.
You don’t want an outer ring because that would obstruct workflow. It would mean you couldn’t just fling your mouse in the right direction anymore, and that’s what so many people love about radial menus.

Great job!
~Peter

Also, I don’t mean to pick or anything, but it seems that the intermediate buttons on the full eight-item menu aren’t properly posititioned? They’re closer to the 1 and 2 than they are to the 3 and 4.

]]> By: Joeri http://mke3.net/weblog/radiation/#comment-939 Joeri Thu, 17 Aug 2006 06:04:31 +0000 http://mke3.net/weblog/radiation/#comment-939 I think a second ring of options would work well. The hidden version should than know the difference between short and long strokes. Maya has a popout option for sub items. But I think this is not possible with keeping the options hidden. Maya also has options made compact. Or 'prefs' per option. So "merge selected verteces" is an option with merge at center, merge at last selected, merge at cursor as prefs. A user will probably use the same merge everytime he/she wants to merge. <a href="http://www.nonakassenaar.nl/blender/prefoption.png" rel="nofollow">http://www.nonakassenaar.nl/blender/prefoption.png</a> I think a second ring of options would work well.
The hidden version should than know the difference between short and long strokes.
Maya has a popout option for sub items. But I think this is not possible with keeping the options hidden.

Maya also has options made compact. Or ‘prefs’ per option. So “merge selected verteces” is an option with merge at center, merge at last selected, merge at cursor as prefs. A user will probably use the same merge everytime he/she wants to merge.
http://www.nonakassenaar.nl/blender/prefoption.png

]]> By: Joerg Luedtke http://mke3.net/weblog/radiation/#comment-938 Joerg Luedtke Thu, 17 Aug 2006 02:08:32 +0000 http://mke3.net/weblog/radiation/#comment-938 I have another idea for the problem with more than 8 items in the radial. The similarity to mouse gestures is obviously, why not use them in the same way? My suggestion: Let there be subrings. If you go to the right, then there pops out a new ring in the moment you stop moving. From there you could access a new ring with items. I.e. you hold "W" (as soon as the event handlers allows it) and there pops the ring, where you go right for "subdivide" and up for "subdivide multi". You can even stop at subdivide to simple subdivide it. In this way you can make the standard accessible by stopping after the first choice and you can make a more complex coice if you go for another movement. Keep on blending. Joerg P.S. Sorry for my bad english. I have another idea for the problem with more than 8 items in the radial.
The similarity to mouse gestures is obviously, why not use them in the same way?
My suggestion:
Let there be subrings.
If you go to the right, then there pops out a new ring in the moment you stop moving.
From there you could access a new ring with items.
I.e. you hold “W” (as soon as the event handlers allows it) and there pops the ring, where you go right for “subdivide” and up for “subdivide multi”.
You can even stop at subdivide to simple subdivide it.
In this way you can make the standard accessible by stopping after the first choice and you can make a more complex coice if you go for another movement.

Keep on blending.
Joerg

P.S. Sorry for my bad english.

]]> By: Matt http://mke3.net/weblog/radiation/#comment-937 Matt Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:37:53 +0000 http://mke3.net/weblog/radiation/#comment-937 Hoehrer: Right on. That should be added too, also in a way that shows visually that it's not a selectable option. cheers! Hoehrer: Right on. That should be added too, also in a way that shows visually that it’s not a selectable option.

cheers!

]]> By: Hoehrer http://mke3.net/weblog/radiation/#comment-936 Hoehrer Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:52:06 +0000 http://mke3.net/weblog/radiation/#comment-936 Awesome feature :) Only one critic i have is the missing menu-header/title. I think nearly every popup menu in blender has one and I didn't see them in your cool presentations. But aside from that it's just perfect. Werner Awesome feature :)

Only one critic i have is the missing menu-header/title. I think nearly every popup menu in blender has one and I didn’t see them in your cool presentations.

But aside from that it’s just perfect.

Werner

]]> By: tom http://mke3.net/weblog/radiation/#comment-935 tom Tue, 25 Jul 2006 18:23:40 +0000 http://mke3.net/weblog/radiation/#comment-935 Bill, I do agree with you, but a common problem in pie-chart menus is their somewhat reduced utility, due to the small amount of information (items) you can put in them. While my second (little) idea won't prolly be too useful (despite the oomph factor that shouln't drive any UI design:)), the other two (real little) ideas shouldn't add complexity to the solution. In the end, my own experience says that properly applied Fitts law can really speed up certain UI processes. The best example I can think of is the "infinite area" of the close (the X) button in maximized windows... best, tom Bill, I do agree with you, but a common problem in pie-chart menus is their somewhat reduced utility, due to the small amount of information (items) you can put in them.

While my second (little) idea won’t prolly be too useful (despite the oomph factor that shouln’t drive any UI design:)), the other two (real little) ideas shouldn’t add complexity to the solution.

In the end, my own experience says that properly applied Fitts law can really speed up certain UI processes. The best example I can think of is the “infinite area” of the close (the X) button in maximized windows…

best,
tom

]]> By: Bill http://mke3.net/weblog/radiation/#comment-934 Bill Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:03:08 +0000 http://mke3.net/weblog/radiation/#comment-934 Impressive! The menus are great for reference, but slow for actual work. This would be useful, and not add bloat. Tom: Your ideas are interesting, but I think it is important that these menus become as simple as possible. Laying out options in two dimentions is far simpler and easier to remember than a 3d approach. Impressive! The menus are great for reference, but slow for actual work. This would be useful, and not add bloat.

Tom: Your ideas are interesting, but I think it is important that these menus become as simple as possible. Laying out options in two dimentions is far simpler and easier to remember than a 3d approach.

]]> By: tom http://mke3.net/weblog/radiation/#comment-933 tom Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:47:55 +0000 http://mke3.net/weblog/radiation/#comment-933 some options that i think that might be worth exploring are (trying to tackle the problem of adding more menu items) [] using key modifiers (shortcuts) to popup different pie menus. [] using a layered approach with slightly (skewed | 3d-ized, alpha-blended?) menus [] showing categories in the pie slices and using the mouse wheel to scroll between options best, tom some options that i think that might be worth exploring are (trying to tackle the problem of adding more menu items)

[] using key modifiers (shortcuts) to popup different pie menus.

[] using a layered approach with slightly (skewed | 3d-ized, alpha-blended?) menus

[] showing categories in the pie slices and using the mouse wheel to scroll between options

best,
tom

]]> By: simhar http://mke3.net/weblog/radiation/#comment-932 simhar Thu, 13 Jul 2006 06:15:14 +0000 http://mke3.net/weblog/radiation/#comment-932 wow, nice work. i loved marking-menues, while working with maya. meanwhile also cinema4d and modo have this great feature. it would be a killer-feature, if it was in blender. ...maybe one can individually choose, which function a button has...? wow, nice work.
i loved marking-menues, while working with maya. meanwhile also cinema4d and modo have this great feature. it would be a killer-feature, if it was in blender.
…maybe one can individually choose, which function a button has…?

]]> By: Paul Holmes http://mke3.net/weblog/radiation/#comment-931 Paul Holmes Tue, 11 Jul 2006 08:53:24 +0000 http://mke3.net/weblog/radiation/#comment-931 Wow. This is awsome. What a presentation too! I've been using modo, which also had pie menus, It really speeds things up once you get used to it. Wow. This is awsome. What a presentation too! I’ve been using modo, which also had pie menus, It really speeds things up once you get used to it.

]]> By: Matt http://mke3.net/weblog/radiation/#comment-930 Matt Mon, 10 Jul 2006 07:10:53 +0000 http://mke3.net/weblog/radiation/#comment-930 Hi, I'll post a patch when I've got time to make one :) My blender source right now is 'contaminated' with other work too, and I'd need to separate that out first. cheers Hi,

I’ll post a patch when I’ve got time to make one :) My blender source right now is ‘contaminated’ with other work too, and I’d need to separate that out first.

cheers

]]> By: Meltdown http://mke3.net/weblog/radiation/#comment-929 Meltdown Sun, 09 Jul 2006 18:54:40 +0000 http://mke3.net/weblog/radiation/#comment-929 Is there a chance to put a hand on the patches? :) Is there a chance to put a hand on the patches? :)

]]> By: Tommi http://mke3.net/weblog/radiation/#comment-928 Tommi Sun, 09 Jul 2006 08:11:10 +0000 http://mke3.net/weblog/radiation/#comment-928 Great work, keep at it! Great work, keep at it!

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